Hoka - Challenger ATR 3

I stopped wearing the speedboats after the 4s bc I kept turning my ankle in the 5s so I can't comment on that but I do love the Hoka challenger (I ran R3 in those and they were just fine). Altra recently released a 4mm drop trail shoe too that I'm really liking: the experience wild. Good luck on your 50k!

The crowd can relay anecdotal evidence on which shoes last and which don't, but none of us can say with certainty which ones will feel comfortable to you. It looks like you're using boots. HanWag are some beefy bois & last, so if you like 'em get another pair. Most of the folks here will recommend trail runners. There are endless discussions on why & when to use one or the other so I'll leave you to do that research yourself. Just remember that runners have an average lifespan in the 500-800 mile range. I will say that in general, runners are super comfortable so worth trying on some pairs to see what you think. Maybe even buy a pair & test 'round town. But if you want something that will last years, stick with boots, whether low mid or high top. Personally, I've switched mostly to hiking sandals and now only wear my trail runners during the fringe seasons when it's a bit chilly for my piggies. In near (or below) freezing weather, I still use my boots, which are Keens and have lasted me about 10 years with only the heel fabric wearing down and are still comfortable to me. My own anecdotal is that I've found Altras to be very uncomfortable to my feet. My runners are Hoka Challengers. I've even found their SpeedGoats to be uncomfortable to me while others swear by them. The Challengers have held up as well as any runner has (about 800 mile life for me).

I liked the Hoka Challenger, though there's probably shoes with more modern foam these days. Outsole was good enough for light trail without being a Vibram sole, which I thought would have been a drag on how much I was using it on the roads.

Yeah same I loved my Challengers for about 100k. Won't get them again in a hurry

I switched from Altra to Home Speed Goats and ended with Hoka Challengers. Switching to Hokas was the best decision I made and kept me going.

Yup, this is my go to travel shoe. Hoka Challenger is similarly capable for road to trail but not the best looking for casual wear imo

It quite as heavy as you but I’m a lot heavier than most people writing shoe reviews. Big fan of the Brooks Caldera. I found Hoka Challengers too squishy and Peregrines too firm to if that helps frame my opinion. The calderas are thick enough not to bottom out under a heavy person but firm enough to not feel like you’re running in oofos.

My first thought was Hoka Challenger. Great durable all terrain all round shoe

i am a big guy (6’0 270lb) and i prefer my challengers over my speedgoats. the SG are a tad bit lighter but the challengers are just more comfortable as a beginner. can’t really go wrong with either of them tho in my very limited experience

In my opinion, Speedgoats would be the way to go if that's the only Hoka you're considering, but I'd also highly recommend the hoka challengers. About to start my hike in a couple months in lightly worn Hoka challengers - but I almost went with speed goats! One of my parents is an ultramarathoner/trail runner and went with me to REI to help me choose between a few different shoes there, and while we both liked the speed goats and my gait in them we noticed one small issue: micro spikes. If you're going to be wearing spikes at any point during your hike, check to make sure that dip in the outsole in the back center of the speed goats (and in any shoe you're trying) doesn't render your spikes in that spot useless. I am using kahtoola micro spikes, and on speed goats the back center spikes are right over that outsole gap and as such don't actually dig into any snow/ground when pressure is put on the shoe/you take a step. Not sure about other brands of spikes, so if you have spikes that work with the shoe, awesome!! Hoka challengers have, from my and my parents experience with them, very similar benefits to speed goats but slightly tougher/longer lasting tread than speedgoats, slightly better grip on rock, as well as work great with Kahtoola micro spikes. But if the speedgoats are what you're set on, my regular-marathoner parent absolutely loves them and wears them as a primary hiking/trail running shoe, so really you can't go wrong there haha. Just be aware of the arrangement of your micro spikes if you use them!!! As for the wearing out issue, Speedgoats will wear faster than challengers due to the make of the outsoles, and excessive road walking will kinda kill Speedgoats. Challengers can tolerate it due to the tougher outsole, but they'll also wear out faster on pavement. Overall though, I'd say they're worth it despite that issue, and nothing stops you from almost literally running them into the ground with how much of an outsole they've got on them.

I've never worn Speedgoats, but I've got Challengers and Cliftons that fit true to size for me!

Trail runner will be fine. I was talking to a guy recently that said the AT requires real boots. But even by his argument, trail runners will be fine. The thing with trail runners is when you are tired, it is easier to roll your ankle. I have only found this to be a concern when I was using Hoka. Altras and Topos have less to zero drop and they don’t have this occur for me. Though Altras kind of suck for durability (expect 300 miles unless they fixed things). And Topos have less padding and are not as comfortable.

Not much grip and I found the foam to be unstable. Sold mine. I'd get Tomir 2 or Mafate 4.

First, there is nothing that wrong with using road shoes on trails. 25 years ago there was no such thing as trail running shoes and people did fine. If you do want specific shoes and like Hoka then: Hoka Challenger if they are smooth trails or mixed road trails. Hoka Torrents if they are rougher trails.

I don’t know if they’re too trail for your needs, but I absolutely love Hoka Challengers. Work well on streets and less technical trails, I fell in love taking them to Peru and now use them anytime I need a hybrid. But the tread may be too much for London street walking as a daily walker.

I daily wear trail runners. Hoka speedgoat 5s felt like they wore out really quick (but super comfy and I'd do it again if they still made them). Wearing challengers now and I feel like they're doing just fine though. Probably a different compound or something. I'd imagine the answer is just "it depends"

Agree, it really depends on how fast, how far, the ratio of road to trail etc. my Saucony Tempus are pretty good on park run trails and “fire track” style roads. Puma shoes with their Puma Grip are great in the rain or on slightly uneven terrain. Then you have what some call Commuter shoes - road to trail shoes with lower lug depth and softer midsole. Hoka’s Challenger ATR isn’t bad, and the Tecton X and X2 had proper gravel lugs that worked well, along with shows like the Saucony Xodus Ultra, Nike Terra Kiger or Pegasus Trail. Personally I’ve just run in road shoes if it’s dry, and I trust my trail shoes (currently Salomon Genesis and Hoka Mafate 5) in the wet or more technical terrain.

You are me! I weigh 200. I run to the trails in my hoka challengers! They’re awesome I do such a mix that they cover everything! I even ran my first marathon in them on the road XD I finally bought some road shoes too though. But when ever I run to the trails it’s the challengers

Hoka Challenger a good shoe but probably a bit on the heavy side.

Thanks for your perspective. My boots are Merrells and my trail shoes are Hoka Challengers. I just did Baldy in the Challengers so I’m sure they’d be comfortable enough for Catalina. Just wondering mostly if the additional backpacking weight would necessitate sturdier footwear.

So I loved the Speedgoat 5 (wide), the 6 is ok but just isn’t the same. Kind of makes me sad. Challenger is different but I think I like it more than the 6. I know this is probably the wrong sub but does anyone have a road shoe that gives me those SG5 feels with a tread I won’t wear off in a month on the pavement?

Hello - I would say that the Prodigio Pro will feel a bit too squishy for general walking around. I walk the dogs in a pair of Salomon GTX Thundercross. They’re stable enough, comfy, and waterproof. The Ultraglide are also a good option. I’ve also had numerous Inov8 Roclite, Trailfly which are also good for hiking if you like zero drop. Hoka are also comfy if you stay clear of the racing shoes - Challenger ATR or Speedgoat. I also like the ASICS Fujilite for walking. I’d suggest avoiding the S/Lab Genesis, Tecton X3, Mafate 5, Prodigio Pro, Nike Trail Ultra, or anything with a PEBA Foam or really pronounced rocker. They will be too squishy, unstable and wobbly underfoot.

If you like Hoka, try the Challenger. It’s a good all-terrain shoe with an approachable price point.

I feel your pain... :/ Had similar problems. What helped for me is that I switched to Injinji toesocks plus I tie my laces differently, I use a runnersknot but then I extend it and I tie the knot on the instep/midpart of my foot. So the front of my foot is more secured. It's a bit of a hassle and you'll need extra long laces occasionally. But for me it worked alot better, still losing the occasional nail every now and then but alot less pain. Edit: I use Injinji ultra run crew (size 45-47) and Hoka Challengers (size 47 1/3). Where as my road shoes are usually 46.5

I wear Hoka Challengers on rail trails and terrain like the picture. Moderate tread for a trail shoe and feels close to road for me.