Epson - Pro Cinema LS12000 4K PRO-UHD Laser Projector

You're correct about accuracy. (I own an LS12000 for context). Sadly, those looking at ewaste projectors are rarely interested in the details of £3 -&4000 up projector specs. So I think in context of that "The Hook up" is "valuable" to such folk. Education has to start somewhere.

You'll get more light out of it, but the Sony is still no doubt a pretty capable unit. 60000:1 contrast and SXRD (LCoS) tech should translate to a fantastic picture with great black level. The 1000 lumen capacity somewhat lets it down but in a darkened room perhaps not so much. Based on the numbers the fan is also silent. Epson are known for having vacuum cleaner like fans. My own UST Epson is unbearable on 100%, but thankfully quite pleasant at 70% power. Even then it's a lot louder than the 22 db your Sony claims. There's frankly a real possibility you'll be disappointed. And returning the item may be legally fine but it would be a hassle to say the least. Going from a liquid crystal on silicon projector to triple transmissive LCD is going backwards insofar as projector technology is concerned. So, maybe you want to consider looking into a newer unit with that technology instead, with more light output and 4K. JVC's D-ILA is one option, and Sony SXRD obviously. They're a bit pricier but the entry level JVC isn't truly brutal. The LS12000 is a fine projector, but light levels aside I don't think you'd necessarily be entirely pleased by the drawbacks you might experience. At a mere (in this context) 110 inch screen, you might also be a candidate for an ultra short throw, and an ALR screen. For instance the new Nexigo Aurora Pro MK II and a new Fresnel or lamellar ambient light rejecting screen. The ALR screen for UST projectors is insanely good at rejecting ambient light, and the projectors are getting good. The PX3-Pro being another (top notch) option. You could even go with the Aurora Pro without a MK and pay $2000 usd for the projector, the 110 inch screen should be easily under a thousand. If there's space on the wall, a 120 too. A 132 ALR from Nothing Projector is just a little north of a grand (132 being the largest screen out there that is seamless). Going beyond 132 in size would be doubtful with an USD.

Intersting review. I'm sure it's a great projector, but the pricing is wack for a unit that's a minimal upgrade on the LS12000. If I weren't so into UST's now I'd rather buy a Valerion Max tbh. And I would, based on that unit alone, dispute that there's nothing comparable in the price range, on paper all the stats of the Visionmaster Max dropkicks the QB1000 into a well, "300" and "this is Sparta!" style. Half the price, four times the contrast (according to them - but the Visionmaster Pro 2 almost lived up to their claims).

I just got the Switch 2 and played Mario Kart World on my LS12000B and the colors almost popped my eyes out! 😆 Much has been said about this unit and all of it is true - perfect jack of all trades for movies and 4K/120Hz gaming!

The contrast of the 12000 and 6050 are very close with edge going to 6050. The 12000 is sharper with better hdr handling, laser light source, and you can change brightness in small steps with it being silent at 80%. There is a new qb1000 which costs a lot more and I haven't seen yet

I have no issues there. As for shifting its 4x so if you can REALLY tell the difference I concede. I'm assuming you have seen comparisons in the flesh to comment? You did hit the nail on price, but I paid £2900 for my Epson so a steal really. Mine tests under 20ms. I have owned JVC but the point is that the OP might not have the budget for high end 4k.

You say budget isn't a concern, but balked at $10k. Which is totally reasonable, but I think it's important to set expectations. There is a sea of not-particularly-good projectors under $5k. At $5k you have a few decent options where color volume and black levels significantly improve. Above that, things sort of jump to $10k, where black levels and color volume either continue to improve or at least stay flat, but brightness increases. Above $10k, things explode in to the 10s of thousands. Largely for the purpose of going really big (165"+) and of course the Christie Eclipse at $400kish. This also doesn't factor in the screen, which can cost as little as $300 and as much as $6k or more. Given you aren't willing to properly light control, but need good brightness, image quality, fan noise, and low input lag, you're going to have a hard time hitting all of that under $10k. I would have serious reservations about getting excited for HDR. You might find SDR content looks better. A JVC NP5, Sony XW5000ES, or Epson LS12000, and Epson QB1000 should all be on a shortlist. There are plenty of comparisons between them. Pair one of those with a positive gain ALR screen and you should have a good experience *most of the time*. Ultimately though, these still prefer a dark room, and the ALR screen will largely combat light colored ceiling and walls. You could also look at UST projectors. These kick out a shit load of light, though usually at the expense of contrast in a dark room. UST screens tend to offer better ALR effects as well. I like the new Epson QS100, as well as the LS800, but I've heard good things about the Hisense. Realistically though, you should strongly consider a 100-115" TV.

It is 2.1 (I own one) but he's correct about it being not a native 4K image.

I upgraded to LS12000 from 5040ub and it was a gigantic upgrade. Much crisper, brighter and quieter (plus no quickly dimming bulbs). Highly recommend.

Oh stop it with the guilt! You've made a great choice. I love my Epson LS12000, but compared to my old JVC I miss the later for black levels. ( The Epson is better in other respects as no system is perfect) Just enjoy or the guilt will never leave! Alternatively give it to me, I'll give it a good home.

To be fair, the Epson is known for this green shift. Sure, it can be corrected with calibration and by lowering the brightness, but at the max luminance, it is always present. Still, from a purchaser's perspective, needing to make those adjustments is a downside when you're looking at it from the average user's perspective. Also, the whole reason he made a second video was to satisfy LS12000 owners who were disappointed by the first comparison. This isn't a case of valerion owners convincing him to sabotage the LS12000, he used the settings he was told to be LS12000 owners both times. I'm not saying the Valerion is better than the LS12000 or the other way around. The point was to show how both perform out of the box without calibration, which is how most people will actually use them. The Hook Up could have explained that a little more clearly, but that doesn't make the comparison invalid.

Epson LS12000 does 4k 120hz. Check the Epson site for Epson refurbished units for a more budget friendly price. Also AVSforum (USA) marketplace or Avforum (UK) Classifieds.

I have the same issue in an undedicated room with a little light and chose the Elitescreen 3D variant thinking the ALR screen will have a meaningful effect. It definitely looks good head on, but starts to lose brightness 10ft or so off-center, and is watchable up to 70deg. However, since my projector is a JVC NP5, it doesn't get bright enough to overcome a majority of the light that falls on my screen, so the ALR isn't really a feature that's needed IMO. If I could do it all over, I would just get the cinegrey and not deal with any speckling or hot-spotting. And yes, there is a major difference between the LS11000 and Ls12000, as long at you watch at night, your black levels will be vastly darker on the latter. I had the LS11000 for awhile and returned it because the blacks were a muddy Grey, and I prefer contrast over brightness.

I have an LS12000 and am happy with it but the JVCs are supposed to be better particularly contrast and tone mapping for HDR. The cheaper JVCs laser weren't available when I bought mine and the price difference was a bit too high at the time. The only thing is I wouldn't go bulb if that is your option for the JVC in your price range.

Well, that's essentially what I have currently due to renting and space constraints. (I previously had a far bigger space) I'm happy with my LS12000 and small screen. Not ideal, but it works for me. An appropriate seating distance can still be immersive. Again not ideal but if (when) we move a bigger screen is easy.

I own one too, and while it is pixel shifted 4k, the picture is absolutely bright and beautiful and worth every penny I spent on it.

I have the Xbox series x in my theater room for gaming and movie watching on a Nvidia shield pro. Projector is the Epson LS12000. Projector screen is 120". Gaming is absolutely fine if viewing at an adequate distance. Personally I still game on my computer in my office. But my kids absolutely love it. I think the screen is too large for some FPS games here and there but it's gorgeous when trying to immerse yourself in something like an RPG like Hogwarts legacy or some other game that has the potential to look good.

I love my LS12000! Being black definitely didn't hurt it

Good to see your enjoying the PJ. 👌🏻 I too have an LS12000 (after a JVC). The one issue I had to resolve was the cyan push on HDRand LLDV converted contents An HD FURY VRRoom sorted that. Together with using movies settings and using SDR mode. The best thing I did was getting a Ugoos AM6b+ with CoreELEC. Using the V10 engine to down convert Dolby vision FEL files. This really shows off the Epson capabilities. Worth considering .....

I bought a second hand but new (0hrs) LS12000 for just under £3000. Have a good search or look at Epson's own refurbished units. Alternatively, look at JVC if you happy to go elsewhere. Usually plenty of marketplace units about (like AVSforum.) If you're full light controlled I don't think the lumens will be a problem at all. Better contrast on JVC will compensate.

Without hesitation the ls12000

There are deals out there. I got a new LS12000 for under $4,000

Check lamp hours, See how may hours you have on it. But the LS12000 would be your upgrade.

You really need to get the brands on the audio system components, there are plenty of terrible speakers people will try to sell you. Back to your question though. Ways to take $10K out of the system: \* Go with a LS12000 for $5k - amazing projector \* Go with a Silver Ticket screen for \~$1k - great screen, doubt you'd notice a difference from the one they're trying to sell you \* Get rid of the "Powerquest 2" and go with a regular surge protector \* Drop the protection plan

I didn't understand map and that sellers were required to never list below a certain price that's why they encourage you to call or email if you have a private conversation they can sell it to you below the agreed upon price. Using that I negotiated an Epson Pro Cinema 12000 for $3800

I say JVC (as an ls12000 owner!) you will get better black levels - if that's important to you. I think from owning both the colours are slightly better on Epson. If you're a gamer then the Epson does 120hz and the latency is below 20ms - no low latency on the JVC. But only you can judge which in the end. I got a very good deal on the Epson (£2k off) so it was a no brainier. Had that not been on, I'd have got JVC in a heartbeat. [NZ500 review](https://www.projectorcentral.com/JVC-NZ500-Projector-Review.htm) [LS12000 review](https://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-Pro-Cinema-LS12000-Laser-Projector-Review.htm)

I can't express enough how much I love this projector. I'm still blown away by how great it looks every time I use it. I feel like this is an endgame projector for me. Don't think I'll need to upgrade to anything better. In contrast, every other projector I've owned has felt like a stepping stone to something better.

I just replaced my Epson 3800 with an Epson LS12000 and wanted to write up a quick review/comparison in case anyone else is thinking of doing the same thing or may just be curious. Also because I couldn't find such a comparison online when I was shopping, which would have helped me out tremendously. **TL;DR** \- The LS12000 is a night and day difference. It is better in every category that matters. This may not be much of a surprise though, considering that the LS12000 is 3 times the price of the 3800. **Resolution** \- There is absolutely no comparison here. With the 3800's focus uniformity issues and only 2x pixel shifting, the LS12000 is sharper and resolves more detail in every type of content (movies, games, AppleTV UI, and even YouTube videos). I can see a noticeable difference on my 120" screen from 12' away. **Brightness** \- I used the Epson 3800 on Dynamic mode and ECO light setting. This produced about 1800 lumens, as measured with a light meter. With the LS12000, I can achieve the same number of lumens with 75% laser light output on Dynamic mode. So for my usage, both projectors are just as bright and are very useable even with some ambient light in the room. However, with real content, highlights on the LS12000 are brighter than on the 3800. I'm not sure why this is, but I assume it's the difference between light produced by a laser and light produced by a bulb. **Fan noise** \- The fan on the Epson 3800 on Dynamic mode and ECO light setting generated 32 db of noise, as measured from my seating position. The LS12000 on Dynamic mode and 75% light output is quieter, generating only 30 db of noise. When set to 100% light output, it generates the same 32 db of noise as the 3800 on ECO mode! **Useable brightness** \- Even though the Epson 3800 is a 3000 lumen projector, I could never use it outside of ECO mode because the fan is so loud. That means that, practically, it is an 1800 lumen projector for me. With the LS12000 being so much quieter, I can use it all the way up to 100% light output as a 2700 lumen projector without noise being an issue. **Colors** \- Colors are more vivid and richer on the LS12000, but that's to be expected considering the wider color gamut. **Contrast** \- The contrast increase on the LS12000 is real. In Dynamic mode, the screen can go completely black with the lasers shutting down instantly. On the 3800, it can take a couple of seconds for the iris to completely shut down, and it does it in discrete steps, which is very distracting. And there is a very noticeable difference in intra-scene contrast as well. Highlights are brighter (as mentioned above) and shadows are darker, resulting in much higher perceived contrast. This makes scenes have a lot more depth, clarity, and pop. Then there are all the smaller features that the LS12000 provides: motorized focus, zoom, lens shift, and lens cover, 4K 120Hz support, and HDR10+ support. The LS12000 is a huge, huge upgrade compared to the 3800. So are there any downsides? Perhaps one and that one is size. When I upgraded from the Epson 2150 to the Epson 3800, I thought the 3800 was a big projector. But next to the LS12000, it looks like a toy. The LS12000 is really a beast in size and weight. I also want to take this opportunity to send a shout out to Mike at AV Science and the folks at Epson for their exceptional customer service. Mike got me a great deal on the projector, but it arrived with a small cluster of dead red pixels. I sent Mike an email about it in the early morning hours of Friday, July 4th, assuming he would see it the following Monday since it was a holiday weekend. He responded just a few hours later after already submitting everything to Epson to get an exchange started! He got Epson to send out a replacement directly to me on Monday and it arrived on Tuesday, the very next day. I have never seen such amazing customer service from another company before. I got a new replacement without any dead pixels and have been loving the projector ever since. I just watched Ballerina on it last night and that was such a visual feast. Sorry that I don't have any comparison pictures to share. I don't think I can take pictures that would do this projector justice. Hope this post was helpful to someone out there.

I upgraded to LS12000 from 5040UB and it's been a huge upgrade. Much (much) brighter, quieter, sharper and obviously no bulb changing. Over 2000 hours on it and I haven't noticed any dimming at all. In my own subjective, personal opinion it's been everything I wanted.

A refurb is $4200, so not too far off the mark and it's well worth it.

Just installed the LS12000 and am very pleased. I don't game much, but the kids play PS and the picture is great on the PS5.

LS 12000 - I have one. In fact I also have Wharfedales (4.4 with a 5 for centre) like it look you have. Great combination.