Zowie (BenQ) - EC2-DW

We definitely are at peak. The sensors are so good to the point where you can't even tell the difference with just the naked human eye. A mouse and more to come eventually where you can adjust the increments of your dpi by just 1 dpi at a time. Mice weighing below 40 grams with polling rates high enough it drains the heck out of your battery or it'll cause heavy stutters, especially if it's not high polling rate friendly. The clicks on all the mice I've tried, GPX 2, viper v3 pro, beastx max, and Lamzu Atlantis.... They all felt the same latency wise. The only mice where I've clicked and felt like the quickness of its latency was the xm2w 4k and op1 8k. Even zowies mice dw series clicks feel just about the same as any other new release latency wise even though it's higher than normal on paper. But guess what, that's on paper and we aren't computers lol. The race to see who's mice are better than the other are fun but in reality... something we don't want to admit is they are all basically the same thing but with different shapes and different weights. It all comes down to how it's implemented. It's crazy to hear we live in a day that people legitimately call 60 gram mice heavy. If it continues they'll soon start calling mice 50 grams heavy lol

Viper v3 pro is my current favorite symmetrical shape, but if you were interested in trying ergos I've been using a pulsar xlite for a while now and it just melts perfectly into my hand. My current favorite ec2 clone

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

I have 22 cm and vxe R1 is really small in my hands, i suggest you the Zowie EC2

Ec1 is larger and forces a palm grip even with pretty large hands. Most people will be much better off with the ec2 and if you use relaxed claw it's much better for micro adjustments while still offering a tonne of stability. I use an ec2 with 20x11cm hands and a relaxed claw

>In my opinion most ergos feel more or less the same with minor differencies I couldn't disagree more. For example, I can't stand the Dav3 shape, it's super unconfortable, too long, the front flair hits my finger... The classic EC2 shape feels much better, and recently got the x3 which is close to my favorite shape (G403/G703) which feels so much more natural to use than anything else. This is all just for me as this is VERY subjective. As for the Dex I haven't tried it, but except the shape, what is different from the superlight 2? I feel specs wise logitech fell far behind everyone else.

No Zowie on the FPS list is kinda crazy to me. Zowie is BenQs mouse brand, it's a no frills very high quality mouse. No software no firmware updates, 4 DPI presets. They are consistently the best FPS mice I've owned. On the flip side, Logi G600 is hands down the best MMO mouse, it actually promotes me to be so lazy with keybinds I find myself using it in games other than MMOs. Protip: the older Logi Gaming Software works way better than the newer LGS for the G600.

Used Zowie EC2 iirc, great mouse very durable. Used Steelseries something, it sucked in terms of durability and quality, wheel became loose rather quickly. Used Logitech G300 or whatever that wireless basic model is, decent mouse. Using G502 wireless now, good mouse. To be honest mouse is not very much important so long as it works decent enough. Not a big fan of many buttons or lighting or macros etc, 2 extra side buttons is enough and a life changer for casual internet browsing imo. I prefer my mouse a bit on the bigger side and don't like superlight mice so G502 is good on that regard.

looks like pincer claw try zowie ec mice

The EC2 is medium-large mouse, roughly the same size as the Superlight. EC3 is a better option if the Superlight is too large.

It's not that weird. That's a pincer claw grip with a strange thumb position. I do the same, but with the thumb below the buttons. Zowie EC2, Lamzu thorn, G Pro superlight, Asus Harpe Ace work for me. Might work for you too. Zowie ZA-13, Vaxee Outset AX or NP01-S get recommended for this kind of grip a lot, though I haven't tried them.

Zowie EC2 DW. I'm not even a gamer but the build quality, switches, and dock all make it a really great mouse even though it's pricy. The thing is a fingerprint magnet though.

How does it compare to the V2 pro? I bought it 3 years ago and I had to replace it a few days ago. I bought a zowie EC2-DW but it's a bit slippery, the skates are very very good though. WIth the zowie I realized my old razer felt very very cheap, clicks are mushy, mouse-3 broke etc. And I really hate razer synapse. But I'm contemplating the V4 pro, have the issues I just noted been improved on a lot or nah?

not op but been using ec2 for cs2 and its god tier if you have a claw grip. ive had the mouse for 9 years without fail

I would like to say that ive had my zowie ec2 for ~10 years and am only now thinking of an upgrade. Mice can last a very long time, I wouldnt even change mice but mine double clicks on left mouse and one of the side buttons, and the scroll wheel doesnt work that well anymore

Ergo: Zowie EC2: my preference is palm and it fits my hand very well for that. I have gained a lot of stability with this mouse (most noticeably in cs) being able to just simply get my crosshair on the target in a more controlled and consistent manner. Symmetrical: GPX/GPX 2: Part of it being it's the first shape I ever used with the old G pro wireless. But it's also, for me, the shape/size that offers the most utility. I can palm or claw if I want to, have always had great target tracking on it, ability to hit nasty flicks, while also feeling stable in slower fps games.

Tried it. Prefer the balancing and coating on the ec2. If you're on a budget then the er would be fine.

New ec1 and ec2 dw are great

Look into the Zowie ec2, classic proven cs mouse

depends on ur hand size get zowie ec-dw series 1 and 2

Nice mine are basically 20x10cm. Ec2 is all I use these days. Might grab a DAv3 wired to test though

Update : Thanks again, EC2-DW from Zowie is perfect for my hand size :)

FWIW I see the 502 suggested for people with big hands but I find the actual width of the part of the mouse you grip is not very large. Lots of things to consider, but I've got 20 cm x 11 cm hands and have settled on the DAV3 wired version. I've found the mouse width and desired shape (symmetrical vs ergo) to be the most important factors when looking for a mouse. Other mice I've tried and liked include the ZOWIE EC2 (look into EC1), Razer DAV2 Pro, and Logitech g403/703. Good luck!

I don't think the ec1 is good for your hand side and grip. I'm the same size and like the ec2 better with a claw grip. Ec1 is comfy for full palm but always found it terrible for micro adjustments

I got my ec2-dw in and that's the one I'm going with. It's absolutely perfect. Build quality is outstanding and the clicks feel phenomenal. Perfect shape and size for my hand too.

ec2-dw look no further

Absolutely! Ec1 is only good for Palm gripping with 20Cm+ hands. Ec2 with any type of relaxed claw is a much better pick.

Get the ec2-dw, it's 60 g

Similar hand size and I use relaxed claw. While I vaguely tried to follow the small mice rule, none of those were great for comfort. Talking about the VXE R1/Mad R size. Those were giving me pain around the little finger. The comfortable ones were mid to large sized. EC2, S1, Haste, DAV3 were infinitely better. Currently using ATK Z1 (EC2 clone) and it has been great. My conclusions were - length of more than 120mm and grip width of 62mm or more.

Same hand size and but with relaxed claw grip. Really like the EC2. Ec1 forces me in to a full palm so get that if you want palm

Most comfortable? Probably an ergo like an Ec2. But I aim the best with op1 8k

I've used a Zowie EC2 for almost 6 years now and can highly recommend it

FK2 is super low, I wouldn't recommend it for claw. S2 or U2 would give much more lower / middle palm support. I wasn't convinced by U2 as it locks you in a specific grip and it will be a hit or miss. EC2 would be perfect for palm grip and ok for relaxed claw, but something like a DAV3HS works much better for claw grip, which is because the clicks are lower and the hump is more in the middle of its length.

Zowie EC2-DW is the way it is NOT 30$ though You can buy the same EC2 shape used from older models though The most comfortable ergo mouse shape I've tried.

Wireless has been perfect for years. Any gaming mouse made in the last 5 years Will have perfect wireless implementation (aside from Bluetooth), regardless of the price you pay. For similar ergo mice I recommend looking at the deathadder v3 pro, the ec2-dw, or something like the Vaxee AX