Zowie (BenQ) - EC2-B (M)

I actually have one of those just sitting in the drawer. Didn't like the shape or how damn heavy it is lol I don't mind the weight of my Ec2-b or my Fk1+ which is 90gband 93g I think, but the m65 pro is like 115G I think with the weights and it has that heavy metal body. I'll probably end up giving it away or something Also have the G pro x superlight which is only like 60G. It's a good mouse, probably better for people with smaller or medium small hands The Zowie wired mice are great. Haven't tried the wireless though.. those are a bit expensive

I have 22 cm and vxe R1 is really small in my hands, i suggest you the Zowie EC2

The wired zowie is better than all these 3. U will de dissapointed if u want it yo be ec2 level. What about Deathadder hyperspeed? that would be way better than all 3 and doesnt cost much more i think

Ergo: Zowie EC2: my preference is palm and it fits my hand very well for that. I have gained a lot of stability with this mouse (most noticeably in cs) being able to just simply get my crosshair on the target in a more controlled and consistent manner. Symmetrical: GPX/GPX 2: Part of it being it's the first shape I ever used with the old G pro wireless. But it's also, for me, the shape/size that offers the most utility. I can palm or claw if I want to, have always had great target tracking on it, ability to hit nasty flicks, while also feeling stable in slower fps games.

Using Ec2 love it, but no idea about wireless version...

Same hand size and but with relaxed claw grip. Really like the EC2. Ec1 forces me in to a full palm so get that if you want palm

I use zowie ec2b just dunk on them.

The EC2 is medium-large mouse, roughly the same size as the Superlight. EC3 is a better option if the Superlight is too large.

Most comfortable? Probably an ergo like an Ec2. But I aim the best with op1 8k

I don't think the ec1 is good for your hand side and grip. I'm the same size and like the ec2 better with a claw grip. Ec1 is comfy for full palm but always found it terrible for micro adjustments

not op but been using ec2 for cs2 and its god tier if you have a claw grip. ive had the mouse for 9 years without fail

Absolutely! Ec1 is only good for Palm gripping with 20Cm+ hands. Ec2 with any type of relaxed claw is a much better pick.

Depends EC for ergonomic, fk for claw/fingertip, s/za/u for claw grip

Used Zowie EC2 iirc, great mouse very durable. Used Steelseries something, it sucked in terms of durability and quality, wheel became loose rather quickly. Used Logitech G300 or whatever that wireless basic model is, decent mouse. Using G502 wireless now, good mouse. To be honest mouse is not very much important so long as it works decent enough. Not a big fan of many buttons or lighting or macros etc, 2 extra side buttons is enough and a life changer for casual internet browsing imo. I prefer my mouse a bit on the bigger side and don't like superlight mice so G502 is good on that regard.

Ec1 is larger and forces a palm grip even with pretty large hands. Most people will be much better off with the ec2 and if you use relaxed claw it's much better for micro adjustments while still offering a tonne of stability. I use an ec2 with 20x11cm hands and a relaxed claw

hehe, as an autist that has been through 15+ mices, the one that I had that lasted the longest was the EC2-B back in the days, I still have it and use it sometimes, not available right now, but the wireless version EC2-DW is out, but I don't know what kind of grip/style they have. I have also used logitech superlight and some other ones, and I do recommend the superlight, but after 1 year use it's fully broken, if I move it a bit you hear all sorts of sounds inside. But I do recommend the superlight, but they probably have smaller hands, then again I don't know. I used to rock the deathadder when I was young, they were very big compared to my hand, but god damn they were so good. I tend to use heavier mices now as I feel like they are more steady

ERGO: Zowie EC2 is the gold standard for ergo shapes. Almost every popular ergo mouse has cloned this one, check it out if you haven't. AMBI: Zowie FK1/2 and Logitech GPX. Razer cloned the FK1 shape for the older Viper models and the V3 is a GPX inspired shape.

he loved the ec2 before it died

Gpx if you're not price sensitive and wanting a safe option that'll let you experiment with different grip styles. Viper v3 is a solid pick too with a better sensor, coating (get white), and weight but has a slightly more restrictive shape and could be on the larger size for your hands. Tons of ergonomic options too if you prefer that - I've tried the ec2 and thought it was super comfy. Though after buying like 9 more mice I still perform the best with the gpx lol. Everything is pretty good nowadays and battery life is great. I recommend playing on 2k polling for the best blend of performance and battery life.

Honestly, not everyone playing at an above average tier or even pro level will have benefits from low weight. Its really a matter of aim styles, grips, body and arm position, etc. I can only find my ideal sens for both flicks and tracking with a bit more weight, without it, one is always a bit off. You just gotta look around, many pros in many games still use mice like the ec2 or even the deathadder. Low weight is not better, its just more suited to the majority (i agree with that). And Im all about diminishing returns , its super fun to maximize potential! But in my case and many others in my gaming circles a bit of weight can give better results no matter if you play slow, super fast, etc. It's really personal "preference". I wish these things were predictable, my wallet would be happier !

Similar hand size and I use relaxed claw. While I vaguely tried to follow the small mice rule, none of those were great for comfort. Talking about the VXE R1/Mad R size. Those were giving me pain around the little finger. The comfortable ones were mid to large sized. EC2, S1, Haste, DAV3 were infinitely better. Currently using ATK Z1 (EC2 clone) and it has been great. My conclusions were - length of more than 120mm and grip width of 62mm or more.

i feel like nobody uses large mice anymore, but rather they just palm smaller mice like gpx and ec2, razer vv3 razer Dav3hyperspeed. Niko the only one using dav3, even spinx switched to zowie ec2 now

I got my first Deathadder in 2009. I had two of the original model, one 3.5 and one 4G. In 2015, I bought a Zowie EC that I've been using near daily for the past decade.

Ec2 seems the way shape wise tbh. The rapoo vt3 pro seems interesting too from a shape perspective, or the vt3s gen 2 its slightly shorter though.

yeah get ec1. even as a mere 19cm i can't get along well enough with ec2 using palm grip.

I adore ergoes from mx518 to ec2, everything

I wouldnt say that, its just made for palm grip for medium-small hands. I have medium hands, my friend has small, I use this and he uses the ec2-cw, completely fine

Something ergo from zowie/ deathadder V3 pro / deathadder V3 hyperspeed / Vaxee

not sure what you mean by 3 mode. but ergo mice like the EC series by zowie, death adder series, FK2-DW(ambi), Maya X(ambi), GPX Dex, but it entirely depends on your hand size and preferences