Mazzer - Philos

I agree. Add the 50 bucks and get that. It's a tank. And it's precise. And it looks wonderful

Mazzer Major V Electronic, Mazzer Philos, Fiorenzato All Ground Sense, Baratza Forte AP, Baratza Encore ESP Pro Bunn GVH-2 (and a few more)

Love my Philos! :) Chunky but great! Anyways, just look for something that has a good workflow. IMHO variable speed doesn't make a big difference, only causes confusion. For the money you're willing to spend, just get a professional model with bigger burrs. Maybe ...

Haven't pulled the trigger yet but after all that I think I'm going with the Philos. Not as worried about its size or aesthetic anymore and seems to be most reliable/highest quality without stepping up to P64 price point.

Mazzer philos. Only the knocker, small piece on the dosing cup positioner, some parts of the grind adjustment contraption and hopper lid is plastic. None of these parts touch the beans or grinds.

Team Philos for the win! I switched up from a Niche Zero as I wanted a grinder that could grind for filter and espresso. My preferences have moved gradually from darker roasted beans towards lighter, fruitier single origins, and the Philos fits the bill admirably.

I've had a Baratza Virtuoso+, a Baratza Vario+, and now a Mazzer Philos, and I'd rank them in Bottom, Mid, and Top Tiers, respectively.

A Mazzer Philos works well for this (200 model burrs), particularly when returning to fine after coarse and holding the pull time. But it is pricey.

Second this. It is really good. Great range of adjustments and built like a tank

I purchased a Mazzer Philos and it shipped from within the US so no tariffs.

ECM Synchronika II + Mazzer Philos with 200 burrs + New Mazzer Mini. Philos for single dosing , the mini for your go to blend. ECMs are well made and reliable. Espresso in 6 minutes thanks to electronic heating of the group head and has more of the classic look rather than the La Marzocco. And ECMs is well established brand meaning good support and parts availability at loads of dealers. Either way get a self leveling tamper eg from Normcore. Makes life so much easier, pro or not.

You have a very reasonable setup in mind. The Philos is a wonderful grinder for your use case and I can't stress how easy it is to dial in / how forgiving it is. I'm sure the technical reason for it has to do with the burr set and the particle size distribution as a result but what I can tell you from my experience is that it made a deeply satisfying Americano for us on our first try with new beans. The machine is secondary in my view and as long as it is aesthetically pleasing for you and the quality seems to be aligned with your goals (I am confident you'll get 10+ years out of it if you treat it properly and most importantly use the right water) then you can be confident in your choices. A decent tamper (buy what you can afford but consider a self leveling model) and a decent scale are all you really need. I think a tamp box is a great addition and you may want to add a WDT tool but don't feel the need to be extravagant on it. I have a relatively inexpensive norm core WDT and it works perfectly. With the Philos you may not even need it but it is a satisfying part of the ritual.

Can you get a used eureka specialita for that money? It's my go to recommendation for Espresso on any sensible budget. Nothing (apart from maybe the Mazzer Philos) has persuaded me to replace it!

If you don't have joint issues / carpal tunnel then a self leveling one is fine. You can get a fancy one with spring pressure if you want to invest in great consistency. I bought a Puq Press because I have someone in my household with carpal tunnel and I am insane about consistency and it's an amazing but very expensive solution. You can test the water that the machine produces through the filter with a simple kit (you can order them on Amazon) and make sure it meets the manufacturers specs. I can provide the specs that I got for my coffee machine if it is helpful but it is a very easy process and worth doing annually or so. If you ever see scaling in your machine you have done something wrong and it'll kilt the machine and hurt the result in the cup. Getting your water solid will also help with pour over in a major way.

Mazzer is really worth it. Trust me.

Baratza encore for pour overs and aeropress. Mazzer philos for espresso. Its not necessary to have two as long as you are fine fiddling with grind size regularly. I wouldn't have two if I had bought the mazzer first, but I had the baratza for a decade and I know exactly what settings for what coffees I like. Edit: i dont have a separate decaf grinder because I dont really care if 1g is mixed in from retention when I switch beans. But i only drink decaf espresso like once per week.

Best "around" $1000 - Mazzer Philos IMO

This list seems somehow outdated, and is missing some important items, that are popular and offering a great value. Hand grinders: **Kingrinder K6, K2, K0, Timemore C3S, C2S** Electric: **Zerno Z1**, soon also **Z2** (80mm, now in a prototype stage), **Mazzer Philos, DF64V, Sculptor 078s,064, and Lagom 01** (although grinders with burrs larger than 83 mm is a rather niche ultra-high-end, so not sure really, if EK43, P100 and L01 make sense to be included in such a list) Also: In this list, the **Fellow Ode2** is placed in "budget-friendly", while **Fellow Opus** in "mid-range/prosumer"?? :) Ode costs almost twice as Opus, and while Ode is rather popular for manual brews, Opus is not that popular neither for brew, nor for espresso, although technically "it can do both". (edit to add) Also missing, the **DF54** low-cost electric grinder.

Nice one. I picked up mine new *after* the price increase sadly

I use my Philos and Ode 1 w/SSP for light to med/light, and old Virtuoso like yours for dark roast, separated. I don't like mixing dark roast into my main grinder and end up with greasy burrs. I wouldn't worry too much about dark roast tbh. Keep your Virtuoso and save your money, get better and fresh dark roast beans instead and adjust your dial. But if dark roast is your main thing and you don't really change shades, then by all means go all out.

Mazzer Philos, I don't think I will ever upgrade again.

Mazzer Philos, got it during the beginning of the preorder. Currently running SSP Lab Sweet V3 Red in addition to the stock i200.

Mazzer Philos is the way - get the 200d burrs for nice clear filters. This thing is massive but Features great build quality and a really great cup, if you want great clarity.

Philos here too! Will never need another grinder.

I'm not OP but have spent significant time with both burrs. For light roast espresso, I much prefer the 200. If you're using medium to dark roast, the 189 should be your choice. Both are great, it just depends on what you predominantly drink.

I own both and i200d has better clarity than zp6. Quite noticeable IMO, but at the expense of florals. i200d tends to highlight a dominant flavor note whereas zp6 is more balanced presentation.

from what I've read the philos i200D aren't going to be better than a zp6 when it comes to clarity. I have them (189) and am going to pickup a zp6 purely for filter instead of swapping the burrs out

Espresso machines and grinders still have significant manufacturing in Italy and other western countries. None of my equipment is made in China. Mazzer, Kafatek, LA Marzocco, Elektra.

I recently upgraded to the Mazzer Philos with 189s, which ran me about $1,200 USD. I wanted something that could deliver more consistency and clarity in flavor than the built-in grinder on my Breville Oracle Jet - especially with medium and medium-dark roasts, where small grind changes can make a big difference. The Philos has been a huge step up in grind quality and workflow. Right now, I'm mainly running medium to medium-dark roasts while I wait for tariffs to ease up so I can finally grab a Rocket R Nine One. I just picked up a 5lb bag of Mexico Mafafas from Driftaway Coffee after seeing someone mention their sale here. I portioned and vacuum-sealed the whole bag, and honestly, it's been producing some of the best-looking and best-tasting espresso shots I've ever pulled.

Philos for sure. I have both on my bar.

It is very hard to say there is one "best" as different grinders really do cater to different needs For your price range of approximately 1k - I personally own the mazzer philos. It is single dose, and has a large variation in grind sizes to where it can easily accommodate pour over or espresso. It comes from a reputable company, and is built well Again though it is hard to say if there is a "best"

I bought the Mazzer Philos ($1000) about six months ago. It's pretty impressive. Watch one or two of the Utube videos on it. It's not as big as people make it out to be but does command attention. I doubt I'll need to buy another grinder.

I have the j-ultra, and I also have a Mazzer Philos for an electric grinder (~$1000). For medium roast espresso shots, the taste was indistinguishable. So if you're willing to put in a little work, it's totally worth it.

Mazzer Philos with i200d burrs. I think it's slightly above the price point, but does both filter and espresso very well...