Fiorenzato - AllGround Sense

Silvia Pro X + Eureka Libra or Fiorenzato AllGround Sense all come in white, great machines, and would come in a little under the $3500 USD price tag here in Aus There's other good grinder options too, but I'm a sucker for GBW

Interesting. I think you might need a bigger basket. I have an Fiorenzato Allground Sense and a Etzinger EtzMax LM, so I understand how the Sette 270wi workflow is better (the EtzMax is like an upgraded Sette). I have had some clumping with the Allground, but it hasn’t been major, I suspect that it depends on the types of beans we’re using. I think the Allground isn’t that hard to dial in, but you have to sacrifice a lot of beans since you need to toss out a dose with every adjustment to account for the retention. The Sette/EtzMax don’t retain much, so they are a lot of responsive to adjustments. The Allground grinds are fluffier that the EtzMax grinds and take up more space in the basket.

I have my Gaggiuino paired with an AllGround Sense

Hello everyone, I own a La Marzocco Linea Mini R along with an Allground Sense GbW and a Ceado E6P (the second one for decaf espresso). After I was about to pull the trigger on the Mahlkönig E65S GbW, I had an idea of how I could convince my wife of the overpriced Weber Workshops EG-1: with a single-dose grinder, we would have one less grinder in the household, meaning a cleaner kitchen (aesthetics are very important). After watching every video and reading pretty much all forum posts in germany and abroad about the EG-1 (no, I don't want to buy the P80 instead) – almost all of them focus on light to medium-dark roast espresso and pour over with the EG-1. For dark roasts, I often read that the core burrs supplied with the Mk.3 are not as good as the base burrs of the old versions, which are no longer sold. I would also be open to trying medium-dark roasts for the EG-1, but I currently drink a lot of cappuccino, for which dark roasts are more suitable as far as I understand (I'm happy to be convinced otherwise). Now to my question: is the EG-1 Mk.3 a good idea for dark roasts (regardless of the price)?

AG Sense owner here. 2-4 shots a day. Breeze to adjust, breeze to take apart the burrs to clean. UI is great, nothing fancy just works. If I had it to do over again I’d buy it again. For $1k I don’t think it can be beat.

| Grinder | Burrs & size | GBW style | Best use case | Notable strengths | Main drawbacks | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Baratza Vario W+ | 54 mm flat steel burrs, home‑oriented | GBW only, into bin | Home espresso + filter | Versatile, compact, good value; designed for home duty | Lighter build than Forte; GBW not into PF by default | | Baratza Forte AP | 54 mm flat **ceramic** flat burrs | Time or GBW, PF or bin | All‑purpose, espresso‑forward; home or low‑volume café | Commercial‑grade build, 260 stepped settings, by‑time or by‑weight, PF holder, stronger motor than Vario | Louder and pricier than Vario; still 54 mm vs 64–75 mm class | | Eureka Mignon Libra | 55 mm flat, espresso oriented | GBW into PF | Compact home espresso GBW | Quiet, small footprint, accurate GBW into PF | Less heavy‑duty than Atom; retention only “okay” | | Eureka Atom W65/W75 | 65/75 mm espresso burrs | GBW, hands‑free PF | Prosumer / light‑commercial espresso bar | Fast, quiet, very slick PF‑docking GBW workflow | Large, expensive; overkill for light use | | Mahlkönig E64 WS | 64 mm GBW espresso grinder | GBW, hopper‑fed | High‑end home / prosumer espresso | Very consistent, “pro” feel, strong value in 64 mm GBW segment | Bigger and more industrial feel; louder than a Mignon | | Fiorenzato All Ground Sense | 64 mm multi‑purpose burrs | GBW, multi‑mode | Smart, feature‑rich home grinder (espresso + brew) | Highly regarded performance, flexible modes, modern UX; often rated ahead of Eureka GBW line overall | Retention only average; price above entry GBW options |

I have the AGS and it is just an amazing little machine. However, I do not think it is best out there if you drink medium to dark roasts. I much prefer my shitty conical grinder for milk based drinks. Switching from Sette to flat will be interesting if you are particular about your caps and latte imo :).

In my case it was day and night. Not that I have sophisticated taste buds though haha.

This will most definitely not work. It's not a commercial grinder, let alone a decent home grinder. Aside from shot quality, the motor will probably quit on you within the first month. What's your budget for a grinder? I'd go for at least a Fiorenzato AllGround Sense, although that's more of a home grinder than a commercial one as well. (Or Niche Zero, but in a Café environment, grind by weight is probably a little easier to use depending on how many customers you have coming in)

I have the same workflow and used all the grinders here except for the Eureka. For the Fiorenzato, it was a decent grinder that made great espresso, but nothing mind-blowing. The pros: small footprint, aesthetically pleasing, good espresso (better than most cafes), easy to dial in (usually), small hopper, decent interface, easy to clean, not too loud, and it's on the more affordable end. The cons: No upgradability (though they use the same style of 64mm burrs as most other burrs like the SSP EP, MP and CV3 for espresso that are much better than the stock are too thick for the grinder so much so they touch before even the coarsest setting, and there's no way to calibrate it), not the best range for dialing in, retention, occasional stalling, grind speed. The mahlkonig E65 it's the grinder I ended up with, it made exceptional espresso for my taste (with the SSP HU burrs), and it basically is better in every way possible without most of the downsides. Pros: fast grind speed, upgradability (though options are still limited compared to other burr sizes), aesthetically pleasing (for me), great interface (especially the grind adjustment, the burr gap in microns is far more useful than you'd ever think), its pretty quiet for what it is, nice fluffy ground (no need to wdt just tap it on your counter top distribute a bit and tamp), no stalling ever, and you get the ledgendary mahlkonig name. Cons: it's expensive, the hopper is way too big for the home (you probably have to buy the smaller hopper), though aesthetically pleasing (for me) it's still way too big and imposing, not the easiest to clean, and once again it's so expensive and overkill for a home set-up. Recommendations and conclusion: Between the two, if you can afford it, the E65 is just way better and future-proof, but honestly, it's a bit too much for the home. As for recommendations, other grinders i would recommend that fit into you requirements and are cheaper than the E65 are the new Mahlkonig E64 ws its basically the e65 but smaller, same aesthetics, smaller hopper, gbw, but its also quieter and its 64mm meaning you have a large choice for future upgrades SSP the HU, MP, CV, or other brands like le brew etc. another good alternative thats a similair price to the fiorenzato is the WPM ZD-19 and the ZD-19sg, their both grind by weight with a accuracy of +-0.1 but I found them usually spot on, the zd19 is 74mm so you can use any burrs compatable with a mythos one, and teh ZD-19sg is 64mm so you get teh option for a range of upgrades the interface is not as good at the mahlkonig but better than the fiorenzato, built quality wise its sturdy since its meant for commercial use, its decently quiet similair to the fiorenzato. Basically, out of the options you said, without a doubt the E65, but if you're open to more options, I would go for the E64 ws since you get all the benefits and the aesthetics of teh E65 for cheaper and smaller, without any drawback but with more upgrability, if it's available in your country. But if you're more budget-conscious than the WPM is a solid option too. they all require some purging in themorning 4-6g work well for the allground, 6-8g for the E65. In the end, I ended up with the E65 with SSP HU burrs, which I'm satisfied so no regrets except that I could've saved a few bucks, and I also ended up with another single dose grinder the p64 so i switch out burrs and for rpm control for teh ocassional switch up for espresso and when I have more time. hope this helps

Game changer was going from a Specialita (outstanding) to the All Ground Sense, GBW. Got on special for ESC, but has changed the game. The ease of switching from espresso to pour over plus the GBW has been outstanding. Would never go back, and didn't really think it would make a difference

TL;DR: I have only one grinder that I use acros the range. My Fiorenzato AllGround Sense does a great, consistent grid from pour over to espresso. If I did a lot of French press, I might still need a mortar & pestle. I have a Fiorenzato AllGround Sense which, I believe, is just over the 1K$ US threshold. I've had two Baratza's (ESP and Sette 270wi) that did espresso to my liking at the very edge of their range but the motors both died. I then got a flat burr grinder that ground well with more range for espresso but was still in the price range of the Baratzas (400US or so) I won't name the grinder as I neither wish to defend or debate it but the motor also died. I did some research and bought the AllGround Sense for it's beefy motors and because I now had the taste for flat burrs. I've never used the finer third of the dial as for my beans and tastes, it's fine ... enough. I grind some decaf drip for my wife, do some pour overs for friends and have developed a sense of where the dial needs to be. I suspect that the first time I do a dark French press it may not have a fine enough setting bit that day may never come.

This is the one I just bought. In case you are in the US, there's a Canadian company selling it for 950 shipped. Mine arrives tomorrow. (The kitchen barista store)

It arrived in perfect condition. I plan on using it this weekend. Haven't had a chance with the work week yet but definitely legit with shipping and the price was $350-$400 lower.

Not sure if you can get a Fiorenzato AllGround for that price, the GBW version is about $900 outside of the US new. I don't do it often but switching from espresso to filter you just keep going on the adjustment ring. You have to purge some beans in the transition but it's like a second or two of grounds.

Fiorenzato AllGround Sense, cost about $900 in my currency. All my research indicated that the grinder makes more difference than the coffee. I chose this one primarily because my partner likes the aesthetic, the wind range of grind and the GBW feature.

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