Moccamaster (Technivorm) - KBT

most of that list is fine for casual coffee drinkers but if we're being honest, the only two worth talking about are the moccamaster and the fellow aiden. the moccamaster has been the gold standard for decades, built like a tank and dead simple, but it's old school as in no scheduling, no fancy bloom programming, just hot water at the right temp and consistency. the fellow is the one that actually pushed drip brewers forward. precise control over temp, adjustable bloom, batch vs single-cup modes, proper thermal carafe that doesn't ruin flavor after an hour. it's the first smart machine that isn't gimmicky. one thing that matters more than most people realize is the grinder. you can drop a few hundred on a brewer but if your grind is inconsistent, the cup will always taste flat or muddy. a [good gevi](https://noxohub.github.io/radar/?q=OXU44898) grinder paired with something like the fellow is where you actually notice the difference, even cheap beans taste cleaner when the grind is uniform. everything else on that list has compromises, oo plasticky, temp swings, or designed for versatility at the cost of straight drip quality. if the question is best drip coffee maker right now, it's between those two, and i'd lean fellow just because it nails modern features without screwing up the fundamentals.

So funny to see someone else who upgraded to Moccamaster from a Walmart coffee maker! Look how far we've come from burnt coffee!

Moccamaster is the way to go. Love mine.

Seems like a great set up! I mostly use my espresso machine day to day for my americanos, but pull out the moccamaster when company is over. It makes a great cup of coffee! Other brew methods like a couple V60's, mokapot, french press are also fun and can be had pretty inexpensively if you ever want to try other things.

The Moccamaster flavor is about the same as other cone filter coffee makers but it's lasted me 3 years, brews faster, and looks cooler. I had Braun and Cuisinart makers that would only last 2 years like clockwork. We are HEAVY users.

I bought one of these a while back and although I love it, parts are nearly impossible to get if you don't want to send your machine away to Technivorm. Messaged the American arm, the og Netherlands arm, multiple dealers and they all sent me in circles for weeks until I finally heard back. The one thing absolutely every email response had in common (from branches and dealers alike) was that they said internal parts cannot be sold to the public (minus some basic stuff on their site) for any reason to protect their brand. I was super disappointed so went to third party's to buy online and my parts orders would get cancelled and they would send me a follow up email stating the same thing (cannot sell parts to public). It can only be sent off for repair which isn't entirely bad, but I really, really didn't like the whole experience. At the end of the day, I just needed two new silicone gaskets, a new thermal cutoff switch and a glass tube for inside and decided to make mine out of a piece of copper and bought a similar cutoff switch from Amazon which was rated for something similar. The silicone parts aren't replaced right now so the shower head falls off now and then which I don't like. Sad that I can't just buy parts but I do really love my machine. https://imgur.com/a/kCSK14r

Coming from a Ratio 6 owner who has used the OXO: Get the MoccaMaster. The Aiden is an incredibly cool piece of tech, but reviews suggest it isn't ready for prime time due to the software being buggy and unreliable.

You select the beans, grinder, grind size, quantity of beans, water quality. Moccamaster simply heats the water to optimal temp. Don't expect stellar results unless you do your part.

Another vote for the Moccamaster! They will probably have a Black Friday deal too.

Seconding Technivorm Moccamaster for the $$ tier of coffeemaker, but choosing Kalita Wave and Aeropress for $ tier

So if you're okay with a V60 / Chemex (the lack of automation, extra effort and time needed) then don't get a Moccamaster tbh, it's not worth it. Don't get me wrong, I love mine a lot, but I was thinking about this the other day and that's my conclusion. If you're in the market for -specifically- a filter coffee machine, then a moccamaster is a great option

You're not supposed to use citric acid with Moccamaster. It can leave a bad taste. A long [blogpost](https://www.tarkkamarkka.com/blogi/2022/08/29/moccamaster-kahvinkeitin-puhdistaminen/) in Finnish. A reddit [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Moccamaster/comments/1k8jm1i/my_mum_descaled_the_moccamaster_using_citric_acid/) about the aftertaste Moccamaster's [own cleaning guide](https://www.moccamaster.eu/blog/post/how-maintain-moccamaster): >do not use (organic) descaling agents based on citric acid, as this results in a lasting bad taste of coffee because the acid is aggressive and starts a chemical reaction with the copper heating element. From the blogpost: "Dutch sales office stated that they are aware that Moccamaster coffee makers are still being sold in some countries with this incorrect recommendation regarding the use of citric acid in the user manual." Tl;dr Don't use citric acid with Moccamasters

I grind the beans fresh every morning. We get two bags of Jim's brand, sweet love flavor, delivered every couple of weeks and it works perfectly to a pot a day.

I've been through a lot of coffee makers in my time. I think I have every type of manual ones, including an off brand espresso machine. My moccamaster is my go to for a cup of coffee and I use it at least once a day. I've talked about it so highly that several co-workers went and bought one.

Thrilled to see all these positive comments about this on /r/BuyItForLife no less! I got this as a wedding present 5 years ago and have since bought it for my parents after demanding they switch off Keurig. It's been a game changer and my parents swear by it now as well. Great to see they hold up over time to boot!

I dont know which my moccamaster is, but I know that it does shut off in 60 minutes, physically flips the off switch so I have a smart plug routine that simply does it at 59 minutes when I brew a full pot (like on the weekend) that overrides the auto shut off so I never have to physically flip the switch

No complaints on quality of the brew on the 2nd one vs brewing a whole pot at once but I agree it might depend on the timing between brews. For us, it's about an hour, 6:30-6:35 and then again at 7:40-8:30 (leaves the heating element on so it stays warm if they want more). If there's more time between 1st and 2nd you might get a noticeable effect on quality

Bought one yesterday after I saw your comment. Thank you!!

Meh, it makes a good cup of coffee, is well built and has the ability to be repaired by you. But you can get just as good a cup of coffee for less than half the price. It's 100% a splurge luxury item.

They are pretty retro looking devices but after 40 years of buying every coffee making widget since Mr. Coffee showed up this is the end of the line for me. Technivorm to the rescue!

I'd go with the [Moccamaster](https://productbible.com/product/technivorm-moccamaster) if you want a drip brewer. Nothing else comes close in terms of BIFL.

I have a Moccamaster and use filtered water from my refrigerator.

A Moccamaster has remained in an elite tier of coffee machines for a long time for a reason; it makes really good coffee...though if I were OP and deadset on buying one, I'd get one with an insulated carafe, rather than one with a glass carafe on a hot plate. But best non espresso coffee bar none is a bold claim. With admittedly more work, doing a pour over (or sometimes french press, depending on what sort of beans I had and what I was trying to get from them), I could pretty consistently get coffee that was better than what a Moccamaster could do, and although I have plenty of experience and might be a bit better than average, I don't think I'm particularly excellent at pour overs (I do think my french press technique is better than most, but that's a whole different conversation...). Now, however, I've got a Fellow Aiden and have had to grudgingly concede that the machine can make coffee just as well--if not better in many instances--than I could. But I've only had the Aiden for \~6 months, so we'll see if its longevity can match a Moccamaster; it's certainly more fiddly and thus with more potential failure points than a Moccamaster.

The Aiden is good lol - your feelings are very nitpicky. If you want something more tactile and old school you can't beat the mocca

I have the one with the metal carafe and it has been going strong, probably about 10 years. I don't remember when I bought it but about that long ago and with daily use and routing cleaning I think it should outlast me. Also makes great coffee.

I agree A LOT of cheap drip machines last. Honestly they're basic machines so they should. OP stated they've had issues with others though and the Technivorm Moccamaster machine and company behind it has been proven over decades. So if they're ready to go Buy it for Life this is the answer.

Moccamaster, they can last a long time.

It might be good to add the mochamaster to your list. Makes good coffee and has good warranty/ cs.

Mocca Master to the top. We have had one for 10 years and another for about 5 or 6 years. They are stone simple and reliable machines that never make a bad cup of coffee.